1871 census - England

[melness]

Hello

Looking for anyone named Lucy Morrison born Glasgow 1861- birth record confirmed. Mother was Mary Morrison - father unknown.
Not sure if Mary was still alive in 1871.
Thank you.

Drew

[Barbara B]

There is a family tree for Lucy on Ancestry which gives details of her marriage. Let me know if you haven't got access and I'll pass on the details
Barbara

[melness]

Hi I havent got access Barbara thanks - please send PM

Any sign of her in 1871?

[dickiesam]

If Mary Morrison married after Lucy's birth, Lucy would then probably have a different surname and that would explain her absence from the 1871 censuses. Have you checked for Scotland marriages? I hit 169 matches between 1861 and 1871, so we need to know the district where Mary was living and where Lucy was born to narrow the field. In the 1871 Scotland census there are 49 Lucys around the right age! Plenty of names to match in a marriage.

Are you of the opinion that Mary/Lucy moved out of Scotland at some stage?

EDIT TO ADD: If Mary did marry, Lucy would have been enumerated as a step-daughter by the head of household, Mary's spouse, and with his surname. When Lucy married she would probably have used her actual birth name.

[dickiesam]

There is a family tree for Lucy on Ancestry which gives details of her marriage. Barbara

Hi Barbara,
Could you post or PM me the GRO index references for Lucy's marriage. I have only found 2 that fit for a plain Lucy.
MORRISON, Lucy - Derbyshire, Derby - 1895
MORRISON, Lucy - Yorkshire, Sheffield - 1904

[Tina]

Hi D.S
In the tree in Anx they have Lucy as marrying Robert Edmund Bach
24.4.1889 Edinburgh.
Mary is listed as her mother, no father (born 12.4.1861 Hospital St Glasgow)
Lucy has a child with surname Bach and 2 with surname of Beattie.
No info on mother Mary.

[melness]

Hi DS and Tina

Thank you for the info. I'm not on Ancestry. I wish I could contact the owner of the tree.

Back to 1871 - Lucy where is she in 1871? - her mother Mary was living with a John Crawford - who was a slater we think. I dont think they married. But still cant find Lucy in 1871 - any help with this appreciated.

thanks again to you both

Drew

[dickiesam]

Hi D.S
In the tree in Anx they have Lucy as marrying Robert Edmund Bach
24.4.1889 Edinburgh.
Mary is listed as her mother, no father (born 12.4.1861 Hospital St Glasgow)
Lucy has a child with surname Bach and 2 with surname of Beattie.
No info on mother Mary.

Hi Tina,
This is odd! Scotland's People only report one marriage for a Lucy Morrison between 1875 and 1895 [all districts].
1884 - CLARKSON, ROBERT and MORRISON, LUCY - KELVIN, GLASGOW CITY/LANARK - SGRO ref: 644/09 0056

However, a search on Robert Bach threw up this!
1889 - BACH, ROBERT and MATHIESON, LUCY - CANONGATE, EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN - SGRO Ref: 685/03 0097

So did Lucy's mother become a Mathieson? Or is the Ancestry tree astray? Really need to spend a few more credits to see the marriage record in full.
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

Drew, because it appears that Lucy married in Scotland [subject to confirmation considering that Ancestry tree] I think Lucy was almost certain to be in Scotland in 1871.

[melness]

Hi DS

Just sent you a PM

Mathieson is a red-herring. Lucy was and remained a Morrison.

Drew

[dickiesam]

Haven't seen the 1871 Scotland census entry for Mary living with John Crawford so don't know if she is using his surname or where he/she is. But there is a Lucy Crawford, abt the right age, in the 1871:
1871 - CRAWFORD, LUCY - 11 - BOWMORE OR KILARROW / ARGYLL - SGRO Ref: 536/00 002/00 021.

[dickiesam]

Hi DS
Just sent you a PM
Mathieson is a red-herring. Lucy was and remained a Morrison.
Drew

Are you actually saying that the marriage on Ancestry is definitely the wrong one? I couldn't resist taking a look at the full marriage record on Scotland's People!
Lucy Mathieson is aged 26 [making her bn 1863] and a spinster. Her parents are John Mathieson [a slater] and Mary Mathieson [formerly Morrison]. I will send you a PM with a Photobucket reference so you can see for yourself.

Do you know where the correct Lucy married? When, where, and to whom?

[Bertieone]

According to the tree on Ancestry,

Lucy Robertson Morrison, bn 12th April 1861,
District of Hutchesontown, 75 Hospital St.

Marriage to Robert Edmund Bach, 24th April 1889,
an address included, 27 Spring Gardens, Abbyhill.

There's also a suggestion on the tree she had an association with a James Beattie, bn 1862, no proof of marriage.


Bert

[dickiesam]

Hi Bert,
There's a problem with that tree. That Bach marriage was to Lucy Mathieson bn abt 1863, dtr of John and Mary Mathieson nee Morrison. And Robert is plain Robert, no Edmund. Lucy is definitely Mathieson.

Record here: http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv53 ... 75ba8d.jpg

[Bertieone]

Hi DS,

the tree doesn't look very reliable with no proof of anything really, only census information, though he has got the right address for Robert Bach. It looks like he's made an assumption from names on the cert that he must have had sight of.

Was Lucy's full name Lucy Robertson Morrison?


Bert

[Barbara B]

According to the family tree on Ancestry Robert Bach died in 1914. Is it possible that Lucy remarried or 'took up' with James Beattie and the children then took his name?
Barbara

[melness]

Thank you.

As mentioned before I don'y have Ancestry sub. Could someone tell me the contact details for owner of the Tree please. I think I should contact them.

thanks

Drew

[dickiesam]

According to the family tree on Ancestry Robert Bach died in 1914. Is it possible that Lucy remarried or 'took up' with James Beattie and the children then took his name?
Barbara

No marriages for Lucy between 1914 and 1950 in England, Wales or Scotland.

[Bertieone]

Thank you.

As mentioned before I don'y have Ancestry sub. Could someone tell me the contact details for owner of the Tree please. I think I should contact them.

thanks

Drew

The only way of getting in touch with the person on Ancestry is through the PM system on there, I've checked his profile and there is no email address to pass on to you. I can only offer to PM him for you and tell him of your interest, you will have to give me your email to pass on to him.


Bert

[melness]

will send it in PM -thanks

[Tina]

Thanks Bert, I was going to contact the tree owner.
Cheers