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 Post subject: Baptism conundrum
PostPosted: 19:18:30 Mon 20/Mar/2017 
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I am having difficulty understand why an infant would have two baptisms - details below; I'm sure someone will put me right!!!!

1. 29 November 1864 - St.Chrystostom, Everton. Margaret Ann Barton born 2nd November 1864, Breckfield Road North - pa licensed victualler.

1. 18th June 1865 - St.Peter's, Liverpool, Margaret Ann Barton born 2nd November 1864, Everton - pa licensed victualler.

Her parents Edmund and Mary Rebecca Barton had two other children, only found one baptism each.

Edmund and Mary Rebecca married 25th August 1862, St.Peter's - Rebecca Chaddock............however on census she is down as Mary Rebecca, as on baptisms. On "Find a Grave"she is down as Mary Rebecca Barton. Any reason for only Rebecca on her marriage certificate ???

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 Post subject: Re: Baptism conundrum
PostPosted: 20:35:45 Mon 20/Mar/2017 
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We can only conjecture. Perhaps the second baptism was to bind in a new godfather (or godmother).


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 Post subject: Re: Baptism conundrum
PostPosted: 21:00:20 Mon 20/Mar/2017 
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Strange! perhaps a parent objected so the first was done secretly, but could they have come around later and rather than owning up went through it all again?

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 Post subject: Re: Baptism conundrum
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Northern Ireland experienced a wave of religious euphoria starting in 1859: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2009/06/the_1859_revival.html

It seems that this phenomenon reached Liverpool in the early to mid 1860's - around your time of interest. It could well be that the parents had some religious experience and felt moved to re-commit themselves. This guy was a prime player in Liverpool at that time:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Distinguished_Churchmen_and_Phases_of_Church_Work/William_Francis_Taylor

He was a sort of early expert in social media - the Liverpool newspapers of the time carried lots of stories about him, and letters from him debating anyone seen as less than solid, especially the CoI hierarchy.


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 Post subject: Re: Baptism conundrum
PostPosted: 07:50:14 Tue 21/Mar/2017 
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I always think when I see 2 baptisms, the first was carried out because a child was in poor health and wasn't expected to survive, the second more of a celebration, not rushed with the inclusion of family and friends.

Snippet from the Liverpool Mercury,
30 August, 1864.
Licensing Sessions,
Edmund Barton
Rishton Street, corner of Breckfield Rd North

The other snippets you will know,
Married, Mary Laffin
Edmunds death.

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 Post subject: Re: Baptism conundrum
PostPosted: 12:58:25 Tue 21/Mar/2017 
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Morning all. Thank you retiring type, MaryA, Luxor and Bert for your input.
I am now wondering if the first baptism was "a quiet one", as ma and pa had only married a couple of months earlier :wink: ; second baptism, thinking folk wouldn't remember when they got married!! Not sure about this, sounds ludicrous :roll:
Bert, Yes I have Edmund's marriage to Mary Laffin, widow of Hugh Laffin, 1832-1871, both from Ireland.
Edmund died 1876, Mary Rebecca 1873.
Guess we'll never know for sure re the two baptisms.
These folk are not my lot, I am tracing the ancestry of a friend.
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